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okay now for our interview with

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lawrence reed i was gonna ask you

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whether it's lawrence or larry but i saw

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a big

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larry sign uh on my screen so i'm gonna

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assume larry

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yeah that's fine i'll use lawrence in

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the byline for the book

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okay and in articles but uh please call

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me larry

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you're a big michigan guy i see yeah 30

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years

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in michigan i live in georgia now uh-huh

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you probably know uh lou dodak

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oh rick johnson yeah both members of the

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legislature rick was a speaker for a

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time right was that was that in the kind

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of years you were there

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uh yeah yeah i think uh let's see i left

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in 2000

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uh rick johnson i think might have been

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speaker right

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when i left or the immediately preceding

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so you know they went into business

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together oh i have not followed them

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since i left michigan so okay yeah so

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they have they

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they had i don't know if they still have

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it or not a a lobby firm

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so my company worked with them quite a

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because we were trying to do business

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with the michigan lottery

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okay and uh they were helping but two

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and and you know rick was really one of

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the first elected or formerly elected

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officials to support trump he came out

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you know trump's coming down the

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elevator and rick johnson's out there

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oh my god supporting trump and i gave

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him a rash of [\h__\h]

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about it at the time i'm like you're

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crazy

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this ain't ever gonna happen and sure

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enough

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yeah i mean he deserves to have been

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secretary of state basically based on

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his support for trump very early on but

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dodec i mean sorry johnson had his

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finger on the pulse of something

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yeah yeah not many people saw that

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coming i didn't

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there were many times during that

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campaign when i thought

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trump was a goner uh but uh it didn't

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happen that way

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yeah he plays an asymmetrical political

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game that's very hard to uh

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yeah keep up with he had all i mean he

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had all 18 of those guys on the stage

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not knowing what the hell to do

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uh you got rubio trying to join his game

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and then he got smashed for that

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um i guess cruz came the closest right

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i say that that cruz would have been as

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as trump was i think in fact frankly any

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of those guys because

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the left just goes you know i mean

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people forget how much

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reagan was hated yeah yeah right

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but and he was a likable guy right cruz

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likable guy from the get-go

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unfortunately yeah

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yeah trump unfortunately i have to

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acknowledge to the other side that

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i get it you know there's reasons

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there's legitimate reasons not to

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like the guy and um you know i think

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that he's got those elements to him

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because i think he shot himself in the

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as that election i think it was very

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winnable

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uh obviously people were not opposed to

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his policies by and large at least the

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majority wasn't because they gave the

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republicans uh 13 extra seats and

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you know here in georgia i think we lost

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those two senate seats because of the

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way trump behaved

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not so much as policies well yeah i

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think the georgia senate seats for sure

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i think he had two issues going on one

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is his obsession with

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you know the stolen election and then

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the other is remember he did this weird

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reversal and suddenly was advocating for

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the two thousand dollars

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a person thing it was almost like a

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desperation move by him

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to get people on his side and say of

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course it should be 2000 but that

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republicans republicans weren't

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supporting 2 000 uh dollar checks

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yeah yeah yeah that was very problematic

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and what a shame

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we should have won those yeah i mean he

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for sure is not a a genuine conservative

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or a genuine free market thinker

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you being of that ilk i'm sure you would

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favorite president

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no but he turned out to be a lot better

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than i expected i i went in with to that

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with very low

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expectations but uh you know whether it

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so many things uh he pleasantly

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so uh but not the best yeah it's hard to

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yeah yeah well you know trump i think

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was reagan-esque as far as

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his willingness to go against the grain

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address issues that you know were

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bring up before so you know trump's

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probably a narcissist

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but his narcissism played to his

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in in many ways i mean the fact that he

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could take the slings and arrows that he

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took and just keep

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forging ahead he did not care yeah yeah

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that's true

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yeah you need somebody with uh reagan

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would have been too much of a nice guy

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uh these times and trump trump does have

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instincts that it's just hard to know

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where they come from sometimes but um

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this whole meghan markle and harry

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scandal that's going on

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did you see that they showed trump from

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a year ago

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saying that this meghan markle uh

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i wish harry well i wouldn't want to do

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there's big there's big big issues there

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i all i can say

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is i wish them well so he called him

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yeah i'm not sure

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he absolutely called yeah he's got a

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line into information that the rest of

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so i don't i don't know before we move

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on to the subject at hand do you have a

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favorite candidate

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yet for for four years from now uh i

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uh rand paul was my first choice i don't

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know if he's gonna run again but

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i like i like rand paul that you know he

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he can reach across the aisle you know

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there's some things he's going to say

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you know you know republican yeah

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uh then you got to saint santos in

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you know pandemic is still going to be

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on everybody's mind in four years and

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the the the people who handled it well

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are going to have an advantage so if it

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proves out that he handled it well i

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a big advantage yeah yeah i think on the

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i would guess that both cuomo and newsom

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not looking good for either one of them

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no right now

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i'm here in california and um

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i'm biding my time waiting for things to

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reopen what i've been saying because i'm

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clearly but i say if if he responds to

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campaign and he reopens swiftly

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i'm going to vote for him or i'm not

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to have to um to take him out of office

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because i want to give him some

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to respond to this and give him a chance

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to correct this and get things opened up

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and follow texas and florida

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oh you're a generous spirit jim

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that's how badly i want things to open

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i mean it drives me nuts i just spent a

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because miami is open and la's not

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i like my restaurants i like my sporting

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events i like my concerts although

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you know concerts weren't happening

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that were nice there's no beer lines

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but man they they were watching you

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up and i even got i i even got chastised

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yeah yeah even though there's nobody

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i've taken in a few concerts uh that

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old crow medicine show at the ryman no

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and uh it was great to see that open

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although we had to be socially distanced

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uh that's what i fear is that yes

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they're gonna open those things but

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we're gonna be a long ways away from it

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being more than 25

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then more than 50 then maybe we'll get

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but they'll still have the mask rule

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yeah because for some reason these

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politicians are very dismissive

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about the mask oh wear the damn mask

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what's the big deal you know don't you

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care about your

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masculine few it's for them yeah but but

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that is a destruction of individual

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liberty and individual

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choice you know we're supposed to go out

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and make our own decisions about

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how we treat others and how we protect

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ourselves

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yeah and what are they going to do once

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we get our vaccinations i have my

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second one coming up in two weeks after

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that i assume i can't

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get it i can't give it so why should i

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have to wear a mask anywhere

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right and and and as far as protecting

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others well they now

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are able to get it or not get it so

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everybody now has the individual choice

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to get it or not get it so we shouldn't

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have to be concerned about others

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anymore yeah right and so my view

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is all rules and restrictions should go

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yeah once the vaccine is available to

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all which we're very close to

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yeah yeah i agree but you see what

284
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they're setting up they're already

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setting up and saying well you've got

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the variance

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coming so they're going to say well no

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because of the potential variance

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yeah we got to continue to do this like

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old uh roseanne rosannadana used to say

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it's always something well

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and speaking of our subject i mean

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clearly i think you would say

294
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that the left is using covid

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to implement socialist policies

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progressive policies that could have

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never been implemented but for coveted

298
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that's right they do that no matter what

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the emergency is and they do it even if

300
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there isn't an emergency if they can get

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away with it

302
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everything uh is a crisis to them and

303
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every moment that they can seize a

304
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little extra power

305
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is an opportunity for them and they

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rarely miss one

307
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and that's why you can't fully trust

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what they say about

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kovid because they they are naturally

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incentivized

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to keep this at play to buy them time

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to implement as many of these

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progressive policies

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as they can and you know the these two

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thousand dollar check type of handouts

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and the unemployment benefits and so on

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you're already seeing now cities setting

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up these programs where

319
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we're just going to allocate x number of

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dollars to give to

321
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monthly checks to the poor yeah yeah

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exactly uh it

323
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it just never ends every chance they get

324
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they will use it as an opportunity to

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accumulate

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additional power in the hands of the

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state uh it's their modus operandi

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and it's their end objective yeah

329
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so we're going to talk today about

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whether jesus was

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a socialist and we're we're we're

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recording by the way so um

333
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okay michael our producer will will pick

334
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this up wherever he sees appropriate but

335
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um you know one thought i have as far as

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what was jesus a socialist

337
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is that i think you're one of your

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points is that

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progressives and socialists would like

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to say that because

341
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they want to co-opt the churches so you

342
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know one thing they have trouble getting

343
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the left has trouble getting is church

344
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goers yeah

345
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but if you can get church goers to

346
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believe that jesus was a socialist well

347
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then now you've got

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the church goers and it seems to me

349
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that actually the left already has

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the churches to large extent

351
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yeah considerably so unfortunately

352
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but they uh the socialists rarely tell

353
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you

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what their true objective is they wrap

355
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everything

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in a in velvet they tell you that

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uh socialism is uh caring and

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sharing and giving and relieving people

359
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of burdensome responsibilities and

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making life

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better for them and so forth uh they

362
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never tell you that the other side of

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the coin

364
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uh actually there's several other sides

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to it one is it doesn't work

366
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but secondarily they can't do what they

367
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want to do

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without imposing it upon people i often

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say that

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if it's voluntary it's not socialism if

371
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you listen to a socialist he's got a

372
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laundry list of

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not helpful tips for better living

374
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but programs and policies he wants to

375
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mandate

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and force upon other people but that's a

377
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side they rarely tell you they don't

378
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tell you they want to run your life

379
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they just say we want to give you stuff

380
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well one piece of evidence of that

381
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is you don't hear them talking about

382
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charity yeah

383
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they never talk about charities that's

384
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right in fact

385
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and studies have shown time and again

386
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that people of the left

387
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uh don't give very much of their own

388
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resources to charities

389
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they think that that's a responsibility

390
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of government and they often actually

391
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denigrate uh private people who give

392
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privately

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for private assistance through

394
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charitable means

395
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they'd much prefer the state do that but

396
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i often tell people hey

397
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if jesus came back today and spoke to an

398
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audience of a thousand people

399
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and let's suppose he said at one point

400
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okay tell me what did you do for the

401
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poor

402
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if you answered well i voted for the

403
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politicians who said they'd take care of

404
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that

405
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i don't think he'd be impressed i think

406
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he would say wait a minute

407
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that's not my message you empowered the

408
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state you wanted it to rob peter to pay

409
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paul i told you to do it i didn't tell

410
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you to

411
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tell the politicians to do it it was a

412
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:02,079
tough question but i mean what would

413
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your theory be

414
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as to why they prefer the state to do

415
00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:06,639
this

416
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:09,040
than to then to encourage because

417
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there's two things they could advocate

418
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for

419
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charities doing this yeah

420
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:19,920
it's an intellectual cop-out uh i think

421
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,120
in many cases they think

422
00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:23,120
well if the state does it well then

423
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we'll know it's being done

424
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then we can be assured it will be done

425
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which of course you can't

426
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:30,399
uh be assured of that the state told us

427
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:32,240
that it should educate kids and yet we

428
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,800
know

429
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:34,320
that millions of them fall through the

430
00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:36,160
cracks of government schools every day

431
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,880
of the week

432
00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:39,199
but people like the idea that well but

433
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:40,880
the state we know who that is

434
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:43,360
so if we give it the responsibility will

435
00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:44,000
at least know

436
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,399
who's trying to do it whereas if you say

437
00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:47,760
the private sector we don't know who

438
00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:49,279
that is what if they what if they don't

439
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,480
do it

440
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:52,639
but the whole notion that you and i as

441
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:54,560
private citizens

442
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:57,279
don't care and are not compassionate and

443
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won't help others in need

444
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:01,040
but yet as voters will know to vote for

445
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:02,480
politicians who will have that

446
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:03,279
compassion

447
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:06,160
is really a a a i think a ludicrous

448
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:07,519
assumption

449
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:09,920
yeah and what you lose is the government

450
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:10,639
becomes

451
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:13,360
obviously a monopoly in providing these

452
00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,959
things and we know that monopolies

453
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:16,320
usually don't do very well

454
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,839
in fact in general we're all supposed to

455
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:19,760
be opposed to monopolies

456
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,760
charities on the other hand they

457
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:23,920
actually compete with each other

458
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,079
and good charities rise to the top and

459
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:28,399
bob bad charities go away

460
00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:30,399
that's right whereas failed government

461
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:32,720
programs usually get more funding

462
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,519
uh you know the government is not mother

463
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:37,519
teresa

464
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:39,759
and it has its own set of flaws and

465
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:42,399
politicians who wind up these programs

466
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:45,360
to supposedly help people they will

467
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:47,519
frequently use these programs as ways to

468
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:48,639
buy votes

469
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:51,199
they will cynically use programs to put

470
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people

471
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into lives of dependency upon them and

472
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:56,399
then seek their votes

473
00:16:01,670 --> 00:15:59,759
as uh as a reward and i don't

474
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:01,680
really think that we want a society

475
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:02,959
where people uh

476
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,120
have their decisions made for them or

477
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:07,680
their lives are pretty much run by

478
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,839
politicians who have bought them with

479
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,199
other people's money

480
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,800
yeah that's another way of looking at it

481
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:14,560
it's just a way for them to

482
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:17,199
maintain power to to be in power to be

483
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:17,839
in

484
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:20,880
used to

485
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,000
give breadcrumbs to the people

486
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:26,079
to keep them content i mean it still

487
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:27,360
happens today in places like saudi

488
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,160
arabia

489
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:30,000
you know in order to keep the kingdom in

490
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:32,000
place you got to give some crumbs

491
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,440
to the people to keep them just

492
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:35,839
satisfied enough that they don't rebel

493
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,399
and

494
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,480
that's what they're doing they're

495
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,800
redistributing crumbs to the people

496
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:42,720
and and of course the question we should

497
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:44,079
all be asking then is

498
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,399
well who does that empower it doesn't

499
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,320
empower the recipients who are now

500
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,399
dependent upon politicians

501
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:53,040
whose every judgment and opinion will be

502
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,399
swayed by

503
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:56,399
uh what they feel they have to say and

504
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,680
do in order to keep the

505
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,160
the goodies flowing it ends up

506
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,240
empowering the politicians and so

507
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:04,400
a lot of socialists know that very very

508
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,400
well they know that if they can crank up

509
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,160
these programs and they happen to be the

510
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:10,000
ones in government they will be

511
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,799
empowered

512
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,720
they can buy the public with the

513
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:14,400
public's own money

514
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,160
and and the more you put the government

515
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:18,000
in charge of the more

516
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,039
risk of corruption there is absolutely

517
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,679
i like that so don't we see that in

518
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,520
dozens of countries around

519
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,839
just let's just take locally south and

520
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,520
central america

521
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,840
we do and we see it's around history in

522
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:33,840
fact one of the most corrupting

523
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:36,880
if not the most corrupting motivation in

524
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,840
all of history is the lust for power the

525
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,919
desire to be in charge to

526
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,760
push people around to tell them what to

527
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:46,000
do to take their stuff to live their

528
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,840
lives for them and uh anybody who has

529
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,760
five minutes of knowledge in history

530
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,520
should understand that that's one of the

531
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,440
most important lessons we can possibly

532
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,440
learn that even good people

533
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:59,600
will typically be corrupted by power you

534
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,120
can take the best people

535
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,440
give them some power in almost every

536
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,360
case that will make them

537
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,919
less good people and maybe even evil

538
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:10,320
people with time

539
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:11,919
yeah and the last thing i'd say about

540
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:14,480
that is supposedly we all agree

541
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:18,080
that money does not buy happiness yet

542
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,360
they they have an obsession with money

543
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,240
yeah yeah exactly they they tell us that

544
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:26,000
we do that people who believe in freedom

545
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:27,039
and free markets

546
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,640
and we're greedy and selfish and

547
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,400
obsessed with money and yet

548
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:31,919
what is it that they're always trying to

549
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:34,400
take and

550
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:37,280
redistribute it's money you know those

551
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,039
of us of the other persuasion we're

552
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,799
often talking about happiness coming

553
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,559
from lots of other sources

554
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:45,120
such as uh love of your neighbor and

555
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,160
your family

556
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,960
and pursuit of your goals in life

557
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:51,039
ambitions and your entrepreneurship and

558
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,960
so forth happiness comes from

559
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:55,440
many uh ways of fulfillment but to a

560
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,160
socialist

561
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,919
it's it's money from the state and

562
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,760
somehow that's all you need and you'll

563
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,120
be happy

564
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:04,000
yeah that's a i got this line from your

565
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:04,640
article from

566
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,679
thomas uh seoul i've never understood

567
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,799
why it is greed

568
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,799
to want to keep the money you have have

569
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,480
earned but not greed to want to take

570
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,080
somebody else's money

571
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,960
yeah exactly and i think socialists even

572
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,080
though they're the ones who've

573
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,480
screened a lot us about greed they're

574
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,840
actually the greediest people on the

575
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:23,280
planet because they're the ones

576
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:26,160
always grasping for other people's money

577
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,880
i mean that's

578
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,559
uh that's that ought to be the very

579
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,039
definition of greed to focus on money

580
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:33,760
and not even your own so much but your

581
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:34,240
focus

582
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,039
on other people's money so when we talk

583
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,720
about whether jesus was a socialist

584
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,679
let's define terms briefly before we get

585
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:42,640
into that

586
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:45,440
you know define what a socialist is and

587
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,919
also

588
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,080
what a progressive is if you consider

589
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,440
that to be anything different than a

590
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,799
socialist

591
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,280
yeah your second question jim i'll just

592
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,799
say from the outset that there's

593
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:57,039
there's so little difference uh uh you

594
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,080
can hardly uh

595
00:20:02,149 --> 00:20:00,480
even find it uh i don't know of a

596
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,159
progressive who isn't a socialist

597
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,159
although he might say he's not

598
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,080
but he tends to support the very same

599
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,919
things maybe socialists are

600
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,679
they just want to want a little more of

601
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,000
it and a little faster but

602
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,600
at bottom there's really not a whole lot

603
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,919
of difference i know that a lot of young

604
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,840
people in particular are told by their

605
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,080
teachers by their university professors

606
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,600
that socialism is

607
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,360
caring sharing and giving but there's

608
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,880
more of that under

609
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:27,360
capitalism than there ever is under

610
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,480
socialism

611
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,159
even when you look at foreign aid

612
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,760
government to government foreign aid

613
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:33,679
it's invariably from the more capitalist

614
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:34,240
countries

615
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,520
always the recipients

616
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,080
they're not the ones giving stuff away

617
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,760
because they haven't created it in the

618
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:42,799
first place

619
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,840
i think socialism is best defined as the

620
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,480
concentration of power in the hands of

621
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,520
the state

622
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,440
then the question is for what purpose or

623
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,360
purposes for the purpose

624
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,640
of redistribution of wealth or the

625
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,559
central planning of an economy

626
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,039
or the appropriation of your property

627
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:02,799
into the hands of the government usually

628
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,200
it's

629
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,840
a good measure of all three uh but it

630
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:07,120
comes down to one word

631
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:10,159
force uh it's not a special request it's

632
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,280
not just a hint

633
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,240
it's not a hope it's an agenda for the

634
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,320
implementation of political force

635
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,559
through the concentration of power now

636
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:20,960
you define it that way

637
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,840
a socialist would say what you're wrong

638
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,280
that's not what it is and they would

639
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,720
they would say it's what

640
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,080
well i can tell you what they'd be

641
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,080
thinking they would be thinking oh we

642
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:31,600
can't let him get away with that or

643
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,480
people will

644
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:35,520
will be on to what we're after so they

645
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,320
then say

646
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,720
that oh no we're not for that we're like

647
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,520
your grandma

648
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,120
just wants to have you over for dinner

649
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,440
and give you free stuff

650
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,679
but that's childish that's first grade

651
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,520
stuff we ought to be adults and be able

652
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,640
to look at these things

653
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:51,679
as they really are not as some slick

654
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,480
marketers

655
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,200
want us to think they are uh so the

656
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,640
socialists will object to that

657
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,679
definition but

658
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,919
it's because they object to reality i

659
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,799
mean don't they they

660
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,320
they don't even like the fact that you

661
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,799
and i are sovereign individuals

662
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,600
uh with rights to property and and that

663
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,280
we're so different one from another that

664
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,960
no two of us is unique

665
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,640
they want to collectivize us and

666
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,039
homogenize us in some kind of a

667
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,840
communal blunder and then follow their

668
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,640
orders

669
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,120
uh so they don't like any of the real

670
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,039
definitions the honest definitions of

671
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,640
what they're all about but that's their

672
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:26,559
problem not mine

673
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:30,159
so before we dive into was in fact jesus

674
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,280
a socialist or not

675
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,559
let's talk about how how important

676
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,919
is that question and is that is that a

677
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,080
real question that's circulating out

678
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,400
there and is there a real

679
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:45,520
risk that um society is going to be

680
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,320
convinced

681
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,360
that jesus was a socialist yeah there is

682
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,880
a great risk and there are a lot of

683
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,400
people who have been

684
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,679
deceived into thinking that he was a

685
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,400
socialist

686
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,880
already the reason and i explained this

687
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,520
in the book

688
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,799
uh that this is important is um

689
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,799
uh and it's not just important by the

690
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,240
way for christians it ought to be

691
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:08,240
important for anybody who's interested

692
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:08,720
in

693
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,840
historical figure what did he have to

694
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,320
say

695
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,520
uh why should anybody get away with

696
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,039
making up stuff

697
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:21,280
that he never said so i think for the

698
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,080
sake of truth

699
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,480
we all want to know well what did he

700
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,480
really say then we can decide

701
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,120
in an informed manner whether to accept

702
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,960
his message

703
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,440
and the fact is there's not a line from

704
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,280
jesus recorded anywhere in the new

705
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,039
testament in which he endorsed

706
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,760
anything that's remotely connected to

707
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,880
the ethics

708
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,320
or the economics of uh socialism

709
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,840
that's pretty important because every

710
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,520
day we're all gra

711
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,919
grappling with you know what kind of a

712
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,080
life and society do we want to live in

713
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,679
what do we want the role of government

714
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,720
to be i mean

715
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:57,039
it's important for us to know uh all

716
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,919
perspectives

717
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,880
especially that of a man who was of such

718
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,440
historic significance

719
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,640
why don't you shoot down for us

720
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,520
what they would throw out as becoming

721
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,440
one or two of their best lines from the

722
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,880
new testament that

723
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:15,200
they say supports the fact that jesus is

724
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,919
a socialist

725
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,159
or was okay well quite often the

726
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,760
socialists will say but

727
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,480
what about when he chased the uh money

728
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,240
lenders from the temple doesn't that

729
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:26,400
indicate that he was against rich people

730
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,720
or

731
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,880
capitalist people you know that's often

732
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,760
thrown up and

733
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,679
i'd like to point out but wait a minute

734
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,840
uh consider the context he drove the

735
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,039
money lenders from

736
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,520
or money changers from the temple from

737
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,480
god's house

738
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,720
he never chased them from a marketplace

739
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,640
or from a bank

740
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,960
and he did so with a very clear message

741
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,720
that this is not an appropriate place

742
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,080
for what you're doing

743
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,080
if you had shown up at a funeral with a

744
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,559
kazoo and started singing happy days are

745
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,000
here again

746
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,840
i think jesus and just about anybody

747
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,200
else would tell you to leave

748
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,520
that doesn't mean he doesn't that they

749
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,200
don't like kazoos it just means

750
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,240
that's not for this time and place uh

751
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,360
oftentimes they say yeah but he he uh

752
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,480
said to a rich ruler that it's more

753
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:12,640
difficult for a rich man to enter heaven

754
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:13,520
than it

755
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,360
eye of a needle so doesn't that suggest

756
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,200
he doesn't like riches or

757
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,360
rich people or systems that create

758
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,640
wealth

759
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,880
what jesus was saying in that regard was

760
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,240
keep your priorities

761
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,360
in order and remember that with wealth

762
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,360
and he would say this also with regard

763
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,080
to power which is what socialists want

764
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,720
with wealth you have temptations the

765
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,400
temptations that often cause people to

766
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,559
go astray to begin to worship the wealth

767
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,480
to let the wealth run them instead of

768
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,919
the other way around

769
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,240
uh so he was not anti-wealth he just

770
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,159
said don't let it

771
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,840
tempt you i mean we see it every day

772
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,080
don't we people who've come upon

773
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,480
sudden great wealth in hollywood or

774
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,159
athletics or you name it

775
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,039
a lot of them can't handle it some can

776
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,080
but jesus

777
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,360
would say be careful temptations

778
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,320
don't let them drag you down and what

779
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,799
about on taxes

780
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,640
you never find a case in the new

781
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,240
testament where jesus says

782
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
anything like uh oh we have to raise

783
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,720
taxes for this or that purpose or let's

784
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,960
ask the government to do that for us

785
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,360
never he tells the story or the parable

786
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,960
of the good samaritan

787
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,919
amazingly i've been confronted on in

788
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,760
public forums from people who say well

789
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,360
what about the good samaritan

790
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,679
doesn't that argue for uh government

791
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:34,000
programs for the poor

792
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,440
and i have to point out wait a minute

793
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,880
what happened to the good samaritan

794
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,679
story the samaritan is walking along

795
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:42,240
a road he comes upon a man in great need

796
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,120
who's been beaten

797
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,600
and robbed the samaritan doesn't say to

798
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,400
the man

799
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,200
oh well go see your social worker or

800
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,480
maybe there's a

801
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,120
roman government program for you or see

802
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,240
you later

803
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:57,120
no the reason he's a good samaritan is

804
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,600
he

805
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,240
chooses of his own free will and without

806
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,600
his own resources

807
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,520
to help the man if he'd done any of

808
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,440
those other things if he'd said oh

809
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,200
the government will take care of it we

810
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,880
would know him today as the good for

811
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,440
nothing

812
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,320
samaritan yeah i mean that's a story

813
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:14,159
about private charity essentially at the

814
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,720
most

815
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,679
basic level yeah jesus was interested in

816
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,200
what was in your heart

817
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,559
and uh it's no indication of of what's

818
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,640
in your heart if you just simply say

819
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,480
well let's have somebody else maybe the

820
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:29,120
politicians let them do it

821
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,399
if that's an indication of what's in

822
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,760
your heart it's probably not a good

823
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,320
thing

824
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,840
not not a uh you know it's not what you

825
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,120
think it is

826
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,039
and what about the render unto caesar

827
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,720
what is caesar's

828
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,120
paragraph this is a very clever response

829
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,279
on the part of jesus to the pharisees

830
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,039
they were trying to trick him into

831
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,039
saying something that they could use

832
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,760
with the romans and say look he's he's

833
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,760
calling for tax evasion

834
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,320
so jesus's response when they asked him

835
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,080
what did we do with this coin can we

836
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,600
pair our taxes with it

837
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:02,640
uh and it's got an image of caesar on it

838
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,080
is it his jesus essentially said well

839
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,679
if it is his then give it to him

840
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,840
socialists like to say ah well that

841
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919
somehow justifies anything that any

842
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,080
caesar wants to take from anybody and no

843
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,600
matter what he wants to use the money

844
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,120
for how ridiculous

845
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:22,000
how out of context that interpretation

846
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,200
could possibly be

847
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,679
what jesus said actually leaves it up to

848
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,360
us to decide

849
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,440
what belongs to caesar and what doesn't

850
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,640
he just says

851
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,799
if it's caesar's render it to him he

852
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,480
doesn't say it is caesar's

853
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,960
and he doesn't certainly say that all

854
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,720
that caesar has to do is claim that it's

855
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,360
his and it's

856
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,120
it's his no matter how much he wants or

857
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,120
what he spends it for

858
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,760
and he's preaching to people who are

859
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,080
under the author authoritarian

860
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,880
rule of the romans i mean that's what

861
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,080
they were

862
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,320
all worked up about right that's right

863
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,320
and he didn't come

864
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,600
to uh encourage a physical revolution

865
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,360
against the romans he made that plane he

866
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,200
said i'm not here for that purpose

867
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,279
uh he said i'm here because i'm

868
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,120
concerned about your soul

869
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,120
i'm concerned about your sins and that

870
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,799
they be forgiven and that you do

871
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,039
something to earn that forgiveness

872
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,919
uh so i know a lot of um israelites at

873
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,520
the time were disappointed they wanted a

874
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,720
messiah who would

875
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,360
come in on a uh you know with guns

876
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,399
blazing

877
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,000
um but he didn't justify roman rule

878
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,559
but he just said it was not his purpose

879
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,679
to generate a

880
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,440
physical revolution but rather a

881
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,960
spiritual one

882
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,520
mm-hmm yeah so they were po they were

883
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:36,880
opposing but but the people

884
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,760
basically broadly speaking were opposing

885
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:40,960
an authoritarian

886
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,480
government the same one socialists would

887
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,720
would have us implement exactly it it

888
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,960
was a socialist government by that point

889
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,240
in the sense that it

890
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,080
held command over the economy was

891
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,000
passing out favors and

892
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,480
uh preventing private entrepreneurship

893
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,120
in many cases it was corrupt to the core

894
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,840
uh i mean we've had endless examples in

895
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,520
history of socialist

896
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,240
governments of one kind or another they

897
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:08,240
never create wealth they have no theory

898
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,960
of wealth

899
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,559
they just think it's there for their for

900
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,240
the plucking for them to swipe

901
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,960
and re-uh distribute and and then

902
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,679
ultimately

903
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,520
when it proves to be a disaster then

904
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:19,600
something akin to capitalism has to come

905
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,240
along

906
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,240
and and save it you know the britain's

907
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,240
great britain went socialist after world

908
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,679
war ii

909
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,600
30 years of that it was a basket case

910
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,760
and margaret thatcher had to undo it

911
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,960
uh and over and over and over again

912
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,159
around the world

913
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,279
socialism flops into tyranny and and

914
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,240
poverty

915
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,880
and then capitalism is resorted to to

916
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,720
bail it out

917
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,840
a couple more things on on jesus um

918
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,840
i'm going to read this parable so this i

919
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,520
read your your article in advance of the

920
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,039
interview and

921
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,559
i wasn't aware of this one but i'm no

922
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,880
biblical scholar but i thought it was so

923
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,440
good

924
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,519
that i want to want to read it and then

925
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,880
get your thoughts on it so this was a

926
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,840
parable

927
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,799
uh that is in matthew a land owner

928
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,039
offers a wage to attract workers for a

929
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,360
day of urgent work picking grapes

930
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,039
near the end of the day he realizes he

931
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,559
has to quickly hire more

932
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,720
and to get them he offers an hour of

933
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,159
work

934
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,320
uh what he previously had offered to pay

935
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,880
the first workers for the whole day

936
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,640
when one of those who worked all day

937
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,960
complained the landowner answered

938
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,720
i'm not being unfair to you friend

939
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:28,159
didn't you agree to work

940
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,350
take your pay and go i want to give the

941
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,519
one who was hired last the same amount

942
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,519
as i gave you

943
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,679
don't i have the right to do what i want

944
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:44,880
with my own money

945
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,720
are you envious because i am generous

946
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,559
yeah this is known as the parable of the

947
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:51,919
workers in the vineyard

948
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:55,039
and it's told by jesus himself and i see

949
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,600
it as

950
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,320
a endorsement of things like voluntary

951
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,279
contract

952
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,760
after all the workers agreed with the

953
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,679
employer freely that they would be paid

954
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:05,120
a certain amount for a certain amount of

955
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,080
work

956
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,559
and that's how the employer ultimately

957
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,559
defends his action he says look i gave

958
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,159
each of you what i promised

959
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,440
what you agreed to be paid it's my money

960
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,679
uh so it's an endorsement of voluntary

961
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,279
contract private property

962
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,760
and probably even supply and demand

963
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,679
sense

964
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,200
late today when you only have an hour

965
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,720
left of light and the

966
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,480
employer still needed to get the grapes

967
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,640
in he had to pay a premium to get those

968
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,519
workers

969
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,600
and so he did that's ultimate yeah the

970
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,440
ultimate free market principle

971
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,760
yeah supply and demand we free market

972
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,039
economists

973
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,440
we know what that is but socialists i'm

974
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,919
convinced that supply and demand to them

975
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,159
means uh the people demand and the

976
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,360
government supplies

977
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,279
that's as deep as their understanding of

978
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
supply and demand is

979
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,799
so so what was what do you think jesus's

980
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,440
point of this parable was

981
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,320
well i think he was he was saying i mean

982
00:33:02,789 --> 00:32:59,519
there's a spiritual

983
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,799
context to this too uh but whenever

984
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,559
jesus told a parable there typically

985
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:05,679
were some

986
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,360
real life day-to-day even economic

987
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,000
implications and meanings as well as

988
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,279
spiritual content

989
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,360
and certainly the economic content is to

990
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,200
defend such things as

991
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,559
honesty voluntary contract private

992
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,360
property

993
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:24,480
delivering what you promised and both on

994
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:24,799
the

995
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,679
uh not raising a fuss about something

996
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:30,640
you agreed to

997
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000
that was honestly adhered to

998
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,840
yeah i it's funny because i think that

999
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,279
if you were to ask people

1000
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,360
especially a socialist for probably just

1001
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,600
about anybody

1002
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,880
they said that you know jesus was

1003
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,039
presented with this scenario

1004
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,760
where the worker who had toiled all day

1005
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,080
in the hot sun

1006
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,480
now learns that the guy who's going to

1007
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,480
toil for only an hour

1008
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:57,039
as the sun goes down is going to get

1009
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,080
paid the same

1010
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,760
is what he just got paid for the last

1011
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:01,840
eight hours of work

1012
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:04,799
and they go to jesus and say jesus what

1013
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,279
should

1014
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:09,119
this employer do four out of five people

1015
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,760
probably say

1016
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,960
oh i'm sure jesus told the employer that

1017
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,040
you need to compensate that other worker

1018
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,240
at the same level that you just

1019
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,359
compensated this guy

1020
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,359
that you just hired for an hour yeah

1021
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,919
yeah no it's a hard lesson to learn but

1022
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,760
all of us need to learn that you should

1023
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,119
be held accountable

1024
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:27,040
to the decisions you make to the

1025
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,480
contracts you

1026
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,960
agreed to in the first place don't

1027
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,720
change the terms later just because you

1028
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,399
don't like what somebody else's terms

1029
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,119
were

1030
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,599
uh you're held to the terms you agreed

1031
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,639
to and you know

1032
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,480
we we see this in real life there's been

1033
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:43,760
a couple stories about actors in movies

1034
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:46,480
where after the movie shot or at some

1035
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,119
point

1036
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,839
the lead actor learns that the lead

1037
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,960
actress

1038
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,520
was not paid as much as he was yeah and

1039
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,599
then there's all this to do about oh my

1040
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,599
gosh how horrible is that is obviously a

1041
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,119
sexist etc

1042
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,560
and the next thing you know the guy's

1043
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,160
given half of what he got

1044
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,599
paid to her now it's voluntary so i

1045
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,119
think you and i have to support that

1046
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,800
his voluntary decision to do that but

1047
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,520
the whole shaming etc of it and the

1048
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:14,000
well and more importantly the woman or

1049
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,119
the man it can happen in either

1050
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,400
direction but

1051
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,560
complaining about it yeah right that's

1052
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,320
the shame jesus would be telling that

1053
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,320
woman you should not be complaining

1054
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,760
about the fact that you voluntarily

1055
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,920
agreed to serve this movie for that x

1056
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:27,119
price because you later learned that

1057
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,480
somebody else got paid more

1058
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,560
yeah exactly and can you imagine how

1059
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,960
chaotic economic life would be

1060
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,520
if we were not held uh to the contract

1061
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,960
terms to which we agreed

1062
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,880
if instead we changed them later based

1063
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,000
upon well i don't

1064
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,000
you know i i feel differently now or i

1065
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,680
don't like what that guy got her and

1066
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,839
endless other things that would allow

1067
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,760
you then to simply rewrite the rules

1068
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,000
that you agreed to that would be chaos

1069
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:53,520
it's an obsession with equality which

1070
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,079
really

1071
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,320
their new term is equity because that's

1072
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,920
really what they want which is

1073
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,160
more of an affirmative action standpoint

1074
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,000
but it's just an obsession

1075
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,079
yeah with this equalness i'm like why do

1076
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,760
we want things to be equal

1077
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,280
it's life is more exciting and

1078
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,200
interesting when everybody is unique and

1079
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,720
different and how the hell can everybody

1080
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,280
be equal

1081
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,400
anyway since we're all born unique

1082
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,000
yeah yet they want everything to be

1083
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,839
equal yeah it's uh

1084
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,599
again that's why it's important to note

1085
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,520
that the socialism in its

1086
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,680
strictest and fullest sense is

1087
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,800
anti-human

1088
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,480
because it seeks to make people what

1089
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,480
they're not people are not

1090
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,200
equal we should be equal before the law

1091
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:33,200
but that's very different from equality

1092
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,320
in possessions

1093
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,000
or incomes earnings or or even happiness

1094
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:40,480
those are derived from other things like

1095
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,119
talent

1096
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,920
and our willingness to work and you know

1097
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,760
if you equalize everybody's wealth

1098
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,720
tonight

1099
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,839
so that no matter what your

1100
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,520
contributions were to the marketplace

1101
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:51,359
you were earning the same as everybody

1102
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,240
else

1103
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,160
you would have inequality by noon

1104
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,440
tomorrow because

1105
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,960
some people would save it and some

1106
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:58,880
people would spend it i mean

1107
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,839
so trying to make people equal can only

1108
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,880
be attempted

1109
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,440
at the point of a gun and uh it's it's

1110
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,200
not going to work out in any event so

1111
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,400
why bother to try

1112
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:10,400
let people grip and do their thing and

1113
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,599
as long as they do

1114
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:14,000
no harm to other people let them be the

1115
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,960
unique

1116
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,720
individuals that their talents and

1117
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,440
ambitions make them out to be

1118
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,800
so you have a a line that i normally

1119
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,160
agree with but i'm getting concerned

1120
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,320
about and says that economic

1121
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,119
entrepreneurs are a boon to society

1122
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:30,640
political entrepreneurs are another

1123
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,119
animal

1124
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:33,599
entirely i've always said that you know

1125
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,160
when they

1126
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,920
talk about wealth disparity you want to

1127
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,680
keep on and talk about wealth disparity

1128
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,040
well there's a ton of wealth disparity

1129
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,560
in america right now because we've got

1130
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,200
some

1131
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,320
mega mega billionaires yeah and so but

1132
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,000
you know my concern is the poor

1133
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,480
how are the poor doing i don't begrudge

1134
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,440
people becoming

1135
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,680
multi-millionaires or even billionaires

1136
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,839
uh as long as the poor are doing okay

1137
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,880
and frankly the poor in america relative

1138
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:58,640
to virtually every country out there are

1139
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,200
doing

1140
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:02,400
extremely well yeah they are and yeah i

1141
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,800
agree

1142
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,960
i would i don't begrudge the the wealthy

1143
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,560
simply because of their wealth

1144
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,200
with the exception of those whose wealth

1145
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,240
is derived

1146
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:13,280
either partly or completely by uh

1147
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,480
special privileges

1148
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,079
that they've gotten from the government

1149
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,240
i mean the government can rig the game

1150
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,040
and does all the time unfortunately uh

1151
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,119
by conveying special privileges

1152
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,640
or subsidies upon the well-connected

1153
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,960
or this or that interest group and i

1154
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,680
think as

1155
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,280
believers in freedom we should always

1156
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,359
oppose that what we should

1157
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,839
want is a fair field and no favor let

1158
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,640
people

1159
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,119
uh go as far as their talents can take

1160
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,119
them not their political connections

1161
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:45,200
right so but my my concern now about

1162
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,359
these economic entrepreneurs and

1163
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,680
multi-multi-multi-billionaires i mean

1164
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,880
we're getting close to having a

1165
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,920
trillionaire i think

1166
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,200
i mean it's getting so that

1167
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:58,880
um their power is starting to

1168
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,400
concern me because they're now in

1169
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,800
the communications business in the media

1170
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:06,800
business and you have a few

1171
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,000
tech billionaires that are able

1172
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:13,280
to control what people see

1173
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,280
here read yeah that concerns me too

1174
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,760
uh but i don't think i think an even

1175
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,280
worse problem would be to get the

1176
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,560
government in the business of

1177
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,599
censorship or or uh telling

1178
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,560
uh companies what they can or cannot say

1179
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,800
i would look for every possible

1180
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,800
artificial barrier that we may have

1181
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,079
erected that

1182
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,520
uh stifles competition to the big guys

1183
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,200
that cements their position in the

1184
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,119
marketplace and makes it tough for for

1185
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,280
upstarts and newcomers to challenge them

1186
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:46,000
and government is doing that every day

1187
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,880
but in a

1188
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,720
genuinely free market where you can't

1189
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,880
get privileges from the government

1190
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,880
then anybody who misbehaves once they

1191
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,200
get big is just inviting

1192
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,680
newcomers to take take away their market

1193
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,119
share and with a little time that'll

1194
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,720
happen

1195
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,240
what do you think about this i think

1196
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:04,319
it's texas that's proposed a law that

1197
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:04,800
would

1198
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,640
prohibit um you know companies like a

1199
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,319
twitter from

1200
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:13,760
censoring speech well i

1201
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,640
i'm sympathetic on the one hand to the

1202
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,480
end objective

1203
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,960
but i'm very skeptical that having

1204
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,119
government in that business

1205
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,760
uh will be handled properly so often

1206
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,280
people think well let's just wind up a

1207
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,960
new government program and we'll fix

1208
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,480
that problem but

1209
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,119
i i'm too jaundiced from all the times

1210
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,040
in the past when we've done that

1211
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,880
only to find that the new government

1212
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,119
program gets taken over by the

1213
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,200
existing big guys and turned to their

1214
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:43,119
advantage and it ends up achieving the

1215
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,680
opposite

1216
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,760
of what was originally intended that

1217
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:47,839
happens all the time

1218
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:51,200
so let's make for a free market and keep

1219
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,160
the government out

1220
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:54,079
out of it as much as possible and let

1221
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,359
competition

1222
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,520
uh do its job you know every time we

1223
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:58,480
raise taxes

1224
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,480
even if it's just on the rich we

1225
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,680
we rig the market because higher taxes

1226
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,400
are more easily paid by the already well

1227
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,520
connected the already existing big guy

1228
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,599
than they are by the newcomer the

1229
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,440
upstart the guy starting out of his

1230
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,400
garage

1231
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,280
so the more you socialize in economy the

1232
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,720
more rigid you make it

1233
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,119
and the tougher it is for new companies

1234
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,800
to challenge the big guys

1235
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,400
yeah well that's a great point and i

1236
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,000
think one way to think about it i know

1237
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,000
biden's saying oh no taxes

1238
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,599
below anybody making 400 000 yeah but

1239
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,079
as you do your projections when you

1240
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:38,000
decide whether or not to open up this

1241
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,960
restaurant

1242
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,359
or this business or what have you you

1243
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,400
have to determine

1244
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,079
what your expenses are going to be your

1245
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,599
projected revenue and then

1246
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,599
how much of your profit has to be paid

1247
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,200
in taxes

1248
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,480
so even if it's four hundred thousand

1249
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,319
that's going to affect a small business

1250
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,800
owner in his decision making

1251
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,880
as to what level risk to take the more

1252
00:42:01,109 --> 00:42:00,319
of that his profit that has to go to the

1253
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,119
government

1254
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,760
the riskier his venture becomes and the

1255
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,079
less likely he is to pursue it

1256
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,640
exactly you uh you know more economics

1257
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,839
and uh

1258
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,760
most members of congress jim you're

1259
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,200
exactly right and

1260
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,480
keep in mind there's another side of

1261
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,400
this too why do we assume

1262
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,800
that if the government takes the money

1263
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,680
and it's only from those who make a lot

1264
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,000
that it will somehow prove to be more

1265
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,599
beneficial than if we left it in the

1266
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,280
pockets of those who earned it

1267
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,119
i look at what the federal government

1268
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
spends people's money on and i say

1269
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,440
i i don't want to give that outfit an

1270
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,720
outfit another nickel

1271
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,560
of anybody's money i don't care how much

1272
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,319
they make i wouldn't give

1273
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,560
that crowd in washington another penny

1274
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,240
they waste

1275
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,960
so much money and they involve america

1276
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,240
in foreign

1277
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,640
entanglements and they blow it at home

1278
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,040
on bureaucracy and they buy votes

1279
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,119
cynically in the democratic process why

1280
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,480
would you want to give that outfit

1281
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,920
another dime no matter where it came

1282
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,200
from

1283
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,640
as far as the level of power that we're

1284
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,560
giving these billionaires and and the

1285
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,160
connection between

1286
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,280
them and becoming progressives or

1287
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,560
socialists

1288
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,119
after they've achieved that level of

1289
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,560
wealth i mean it seems like if you were

1290
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,599
to pull

1291
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,720
them they would come out strongly on the

1292
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,920
progressive

1293
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,640
side of things so do you have an

1294
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:19,440
explanation

1295
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,720
as to why it is that progress

1296
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,280
that billionaires who took advantage of

1297
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,880
the free market to get to where they

1298
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,240
are then wind up to be socialists

1299
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,200
it's a sad commentary jim on the extent

1300
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,680
to which we've been saturated in society

1301
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,480
with

1302
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:39,440
uh statism worship of the state i mean

1303
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:39,760
if

1304
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,880
chances are pretty good you

1305
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,880
your friends are among the uh

1306
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,319
politically uh

1307
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,160
active you probably know every

1308
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,440
politician they're the ones

1309
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,040
that are in your social circle they're

1310
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,119
the ones who are dangling all kinds of

1311
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,880
opportunities for limelight and

1312
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,640
notoriety and power and

1313
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,560
maybe privilege and subsidies and so

1314
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,640
forth so you tend to get drawn

1315
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,680
like a moth to flame uh to

1316
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,000
those kinds of things that you know that

1317
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,839
that you find attractive and power is

1318
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,640
attractive

1319
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,880
especially to those who have power

1320
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,319
within their own major

1321
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,560
companies it really takes a person of

1322
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,640
solid character

1323
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,119
to not only build an enterprise but then

1324
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,240
once he has it

1325
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,400
to realize that there are some sound

1326
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,480
principles you should not forsake

1327
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,480
that just because you've got yours now

1328
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,800
is no reason to uh

1329
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,359
uh support a system that would prevent

1330
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:32,960
somebody else from building up

1331
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:36,319
uh their wealth as well how much of you

1332
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,119
think

1333
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,319
it could be a simple kind of uh

1334
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:43,520
payoff um that

1335
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,440
basically you know you get jeff bezos

1336
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,160
you know you'll see these antifa riders

1337
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,480
and so on and his name is on the signs

1338
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,400
sometimes i mean you know they're

1339
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,920
they're coming for him

1340
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,040
you know that's what happens when

1341
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,119
there's revolutions is the rich get the

1342
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,400
hell out of the country

1343
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,560
because the socialists are coming for

1344
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,520
their money

1345
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,359
yeah and you'll see bezos's name on

1346
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,880
there yet he

1347
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,839
is supporting these groups so is it a

1348
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,920
bribe essentially is it a payoff

1349
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,680
that he thinks that he's doing that he's

1350
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:15,839
perhaps buying his piece

1351
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,280
by pretending to be on their side

1352
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,000
well the very least it's uh it's feeding

1353
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,160
the alligator hoping that he'll eat you

1354
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,599
last it's not a very uh good long-term

1355
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,560
perspective

1356
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,960
and it's a little gutless frankly but

1357
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,720
look at it from their standpoint i would

1358
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,520
guess the

1359
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,280
uh what goes on in the minds of people

1360
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:36,960
like jeff bezos is yeah

1361
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,240
i might stand up and uh denounce this uh

1362
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,240
climate of political correctness cancer

1363
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,520
culture statism

1364
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,040
socialism what have you i could go on

1365
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,880
the nightly news every night and

1366
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,200
and uh talk about why it's evil but then

1367
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,040
they're going to come after me big time

1368
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,599
and i'll be you know i don't want to get

1369
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,720
so beat up

1370
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,480
so i'll just be quiet about it maybe

1371
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:58,000
throw them a few crumbs make them think

1372
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:58,480
i'm

1373
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,480
very cowardly approach

1374
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,359
but the world is full of cowards yeah it

1375
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,480
definitely seems to be the approach

1376
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,960
they're

1377
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,359
taking when you've got a couple hundred

1378
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,680
billion to peel off a couple billion to

1379
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,480
buy your security you never miss it as

1380
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,000
as a payoff

1381
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,319
okay last thing to cover because it was

1382
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,680
something that i think that i

1383
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,560
i disagree with you on and i want to get

1384
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,079
your thoughts on so

1385
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,240
uh this is from your article uh as

1386
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,440
you're talking about

1387
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,760
whether jesus is a socialist etc i had

1388
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,760
always understood jesus's message

1389
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,920
to be that the most important decision a

1390
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,880
person

1391
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,200
would make in his earthly lifetime was

1392
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,520
to accept or reject him as

1393
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:42,240
savior so a couple thoughts on that i

1394
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:42,640
mean

1395
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,720
if if if if you don't accept him and

1396
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:48,079
that means that you're not going to

1397
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,560
heaven

1398
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,079
you're going to hell because you didn't

1399
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,000
accept him i mean that sounds pretty

1400
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,920
coercive to me

1401
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,640
so i'll i'll let you respond to that and

1402
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:57,839
then i got one other question about that

1403
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,319
line

1404
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,560
okay yeah i do hear that argument

1405
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,880
sometimes

1406
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,720
i think we have to understand these are

1407
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,040
the rules of the game and the creator

1408
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:09,119
does have the right to determine those

1409
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,160
rules

1410
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,599
we have the same thing when it comes to

1411
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,520
say a cliff

1412
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,359
you know ahead of time the rule is if

1413
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:17,040
you jump off the cliff and you haven't

1414
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,079
got a parachute

1415
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,079
you're going to hit bottom and that'll

1416
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,440
be the end of you

1417
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,280
i'm sorry we may not want it to be that

1418
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:26,079
way but you know we're the clay he's the

1419
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,119
potter

1420
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,040
those are the rules you know them in

1421
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,880
advance you're told in fact he even gave

1422
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,720
you a way out by sending

1423
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,760
a savior then all he asks to avoid what

1424
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,800
you deserve

1425
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,599
is to accept the savior uh as in fact

1426
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,400
that

1427
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,520
so um i see this you hear

1428
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:46,480
a lot of people say look uh god doesn't

1429
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:46,880
do

1430
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,000
or say all the things i wish he would or

1431
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,440
that i would if i were him

1432
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,440
therefore i just don't want to believe

1433
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,559
in him but that's

1434
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,480
uh that's a pretty dangerous and

1435
00:48:00,850 --> 00:47:57,760
narcissistic view

1436
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,860
i mean what you're not the creator

1437
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,640
[Music]

1438
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,839
okay what about this question i mean

1439
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,240
does

1440
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,920
and again i'm no biblical scholar though

1441
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,520
i have read it

1442
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,240
but i mean is is it really words does

1443
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,400
jesus really say himself

1444
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,520
to the people you must accept me

1445
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,400
as the son of god or as a savior in

1446
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,240
order to be saved or is that really

1447
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:24,000
things that were said

1448
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,280
that were really said as they were

1449
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,000
creating the catholic

1450
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,640
or the christian church and that was the

1451
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,680
message of the

1452
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,920
church but not necessarily specifically

1453
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,160
by jesus himself

1454
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,319
no he made it very plain he said he made

1455
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,160
it plain that he was in fact uh

1456
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,480
sent by the father that the father and

1457
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,160
the holy spirit and he

1458
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,000
jesus are one and that no one cometh

1459
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,800
unto the father except through him now i

1460
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,400
know a lot of human beings will say

1461
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,000
well that sounds arrogant therefore i'm

1462
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:55,680
not going to believe it

1463
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,880
you're in uncharted or difficult waters

1464
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,599
if you

1465
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:02,000
reject what god says simply because you

1466
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,200
find it inconvenient

1467
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,359
but hold on let's think about jesus and

1468
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,040
the type of person that he was

1469
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:09,359
right and all the parables and all the

1470
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,079
lessons

1471
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:13,599
of life very buddhist type message

1472
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,880
you really think that jesus

1473
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,920
would take the position that if you

1474
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,880
don't believe

1475
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,760
and that i'm the son of god there's no

1476
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,880
saving you

1477
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,040
or does that sound something more like

1478
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,640
what the people who are setting up a

1479
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,720
church that are trying to convince

1480
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:31,839
people to come to their

1481
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,680
church would say well there are multiple

1482
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,559
witnesses

1483
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,960
who record that jesus himself said many

1484
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,000
times

1485
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,119
that he was here to

1486
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,280
preach a message of salvation and that

1487
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:47,280
that meant you must accept him as your

1488
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,000
savior

1489
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,680
again hold on a second let me just stop

1490
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,200
you right there is

1491
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,440
it's one thing for him to say i'm sent

1492
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,720
here for this purpose

1493
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:57,760
yeah i'm the son of god etc but does he

1494
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,200
ever flat out say and if you don't

1495
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,599
agree with it if you don't believe in me

1496
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,200
you're going to hell

1497
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,440
well not in precisely that wording but

1498
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,800
that is the meaning of

1499
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,640
of what he said he never said for

1500
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,720
instance but i'm just one of many

1501
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:14,319
saviors a whole lot of them out there

1502
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:15,119
you can believe in

1503
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,640
whichever one you want or i'm just a

1504
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,640
good teacher that's all which would make

1505
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,640
him out to be a liar then because if

1506
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,800
a good teacher wouldn't lie and he said

1507
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,559
much more than just

1508
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:29,280
uh good good moral things he actually

1509
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,839
said

1510
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,920
that uh i am the way the truth and the

1511
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,800
life so you have to decide am i

1512
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,720
am i so human that i can't accept

1513
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,720
anything but uh unless i'm at the center

1514
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,760
of the universe

1515
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,559
or might this in fact be uh a mandate

1516
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,240
from the creator

1517
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:46,160
we can't put our standards up against

1518
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:47,280
him and say

1519
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,119
jesus you gotta comport with what i like

1520
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:53,520
before i'll accept you that's again

1521
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:54,319
that's like the

1522
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,160
uh the the clay telling the potter

1523
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,559
how to shape him uh or telling the

1524
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,240
potter what his business is

1525
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,520
yeah i guess i'm just challenging

1526
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,680
whether there really is that direct of a

1527
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,880
quote

1528
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,480
where it's very very clear that he is

1529
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:11,760
saying not only am

1530
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:15,680
i this but if you don't believe in me

1531
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,359
you're screwed yeah the message of

1532
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,720
salvation is uh look you're all sinners

1533
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,680
to begin with you are going to hell but

1534
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,079
i've come to earth as a way to save you

1535
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,720
and all i ask is that you accept that

1536
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:31,839
there is a god

1537
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:34,720
and that i was sent by him and that in

1538
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:35,200
uh

1539
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,800
i am in earthly form that god himself

1540
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,440
and for those who are never exposed and

1541
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,880
for those who are never exposed to

1542
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,359
christianity what happens to them

1543
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,680
i think the bible makes a plain that god

1544
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:49,680
will judge their hearts

1545
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,040
that especially in those who live before

1546
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:54,800
christ's coming

1547
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,589
if they were evil

1548
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,760
in their essence and committing evil

1549
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,440
acts they deserve hell

1550
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,920
and probably all of the things being

1551
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,319
equal that's where they'll end up

1552
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,520
but god is ultimately the judge based

1553
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,440
upon what's in your heart and i

1554
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,520
i don't believe that he will say the

1555
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:19,200
fact that you've never heard the word

1556
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,240
jesus

1557
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,280
means you're going to hell uh i i think

1558
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,040
uh he's going to look in your heart and

1559
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,359
say look the message didn't quite get to

1560
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,720
you but you acted as if it had

1561
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,920
but if you did get the message didn't

1562
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,280
accept it

1563
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,599
doesn't matter whether you spend your

1564
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,880
entire life

1565
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,760
feeding the poor in a mother teresa like

1566
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,720
existence

1567
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,359
yeah you're screwed yeah you can't bribe

1568
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,000
god with

1569
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,640
works god made it plain that you can't

1570
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:50,480
just say well i'm not going to agree

1571
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,119
with uh

1572
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,559
everything i'm just going to do a few

1573
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,559
things and that'll keep you happy

1574
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,720
uh uh that's not the way right he did

1575
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,079
give us uh

1576
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,760
free minds and free thinking and

1577
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:01,520
certainly would want to encourage that

1578
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,000
and um we've learned a lot in the 2000

1579
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:07,040
years since

1580
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,280
jesus was here a lot about science and

1581
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,480
so on and certainly know that

1582
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,319
what supposedly happened with jesus is

1583
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,319
not scientifically possible

1584
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,599
um so uh yeah well i don't know if

1585
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:22,800
that's proven at all

1586
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,839
you mean uh that he uh well yeah

1587
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,880
well you got you got the miracles oh

1588
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,520
okay

1589
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,839
miracles yeah and rising from the dead

1590
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,079
and and being born of a virgin and all

1591
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,599
that kind of stuff

1592
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:38,160
well by our standards uh of human

1593
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,880
standards

1594
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:41,520
uh yeah all that seems impossible but

1595
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,079
we're talking

1596
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,480
god here we're not talking uh your local

1597
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,319
mad scientist

1598
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,280
yeah but it's also was at a time when i

1599
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,880
don't know i i guess maybe i could say

1600
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,559
things were more those type of things

1601
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,319
were more believable

1602
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:57,359
because we thought that the earth was

1603
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,079
the center

1604
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,000
of everything we thought that we were

1605
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:01,680
pretty important to god

1606
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,280
at that time it was more right now as

1607
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,760
based on what we know about the universe

1608
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,520
and evolution

1609
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,640
and big bang and ultimately this tiny

1610
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,599
little rock

1611
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:16,400
out in this galaxy and this solar system

1612
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,720
and

1613
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:19,440
this one particular sun is twirling

1614
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,079
around

1615
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,720
we don't seem near as important as we

1616
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,200
did 2 000 years ago

1617
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,760
and yet even today scientists

1618
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:30,880
increasingly are observing that the odds

1619
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,839
that life as we know it would have come

1620
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:35,280
about

1621
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,760
entirely from nothing uh

1622
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,200
the coincidences of the distance from

1623
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:45,119
the earth that the moon is and so many

1624
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,160
other things that

1625
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:48,079
that are part of the mysteries of life

1626
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:49,440
the odds that all those things would

1627
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:50,559
come together

1628
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
and uh and produce life on their own

1629
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,559
from nothing i mean that's more of a

1630
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,440
leap of faith

1631
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,440
i think and many scientists around this

1632
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,599
view now than it is that there was a

1633
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,640
creator who

1634
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,480
brought in run it into me yeah no i

1635
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:09,440
think that something comes from nothing

1636
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,920
right

1637
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,920
but they would also say that the odds

1638
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,599
that there is not

1639
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:16,720
intelligent life out there is

1640
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:20,160
very low that it's it's highly probable

1641
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,960
there is

1642
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,760
there are other earths out there the

1643
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:24,799
bible doesn't say

1644
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,079
life

1645
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,240
only on earth so i leave open that

1646
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,760
possibility that there may be life

1647
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:32,960
elsewhere too

1648
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,559
but it's not of course proven yet

1649
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,400
thank you again to lawrence reed check

1650
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,680
out his book was

1651
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,760
jesus a socialist it's available on

1652
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,119
amazon

1653
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,640
thank you to our producer michael parker

1654
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:46,319
thank you all for listening we'll be

1655
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,720
back

1656
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,559
soon with another episode of the hidden

1657
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,040
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1658
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,760
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1659
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,960
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1660
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:56,960
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1661
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